Why I Have Never Been Unemployed.

Why I Have Never Been Unemployed.

Unemployment.

[1888 un- L implicare, to stop being involved]

Having no work to do; a concept which does not exist in green thinking, since in the very process of living their lives people are doing and making, and all have a right to the necessities of life. A grim reality, however, of the present economic situation in all industrialised societies. Here, unlike in traditional societies, unemployment means not having a real job to provide your livelihood, and thus having to depend on WELFARE (if it is available), your savings or inheritance, or your wits.
Unemployment stems from several major misconceptions, fuelled, by conventional economies:
 - that continuous GROWTH is desirable and possible.
- that work is only real work if it is given a cash value (thus housework, childcare and all other voluntary work is not employment).
- that you can have rapidly increasing automation and not affect the amount of work done by human beings.
- that real work is the most important asset in a real person's life.
It is abundantly clear to green-thinkers that this parlous state of affairs is largely a result of questionable economic theory which has only held sway for a century or so (see the date of the first use of 'unemployment') and which is now in a state of terminal decline, along with the oppressive attitudes which demean women's work and discriminate against anybody not considered to be fit for real work.
The only way out of the dilemma is a rapid and radical change of emphasis, involving redefinitions of most of the underpinnings of conventional economic theory, including WORK, VALUE, WEALTH and BASIC NEEDS. The official definitions of 'work' are the most insidious, turning people who don't have access to it into second-class human beings with little hope of a reasonable quality of life. Many sorts of employment are literally denied to them: Law and custom have dissuaded old, young and unemployed alike from doing useful work of an informal kind. Unemployed people have even been forbidden to commit themselves to voluntary work or to self-chosen courses of education and training on pain of losing their unemployment pay (James Robertson, 1985).
Frightened politicians, knowing they are fighting a losing battle with the unemployment statistics, keep changing the criteria for the preparation of statistics in the vain hope that people won't notice that things are getting rapidly worse, but the reality is that there is no solution unless 'unemployed' people take issues of work, wealth and money into their own hands.
The signs are that this is happening, and that ignoring official controls and regulations is becoming increasingly common. In addition to the some 11 million people who are officially unemployed in the United States, as well as the 1.7 million discouraged workers and 5.5 million part-time workers, there are others who long ago chose not to be employed in conventional ways. As they drop between the cracks of conventional government accounting, they are not even missed. And as they find alternate economic pathways that satisfy their need for income, support, and meaningful work, they expand the societal network and framework for this kind of economic behaviour (Paul Hawken, l983). Eventually, perhaps, some enterprising government will recognise the need to change their whole emphasis to one of providing a decent livelihood for everyone, beyond the narrow confines of 'employment 'unemployment' (see SOCIAL WAGE).

Work.

[before 12c. Old English weorc, physical or mental effort]

There is nothing wrong with the original meaning: physical or mental effort.
To most people, however, work means something very different. To people with real jobs, and to politicians and economists, work means paid employment in a trade,occupation or profession. To most women it means unpaid drudgery and constant pettiness. To the unemployed it means the grass on the other side of hill.
To most green-thinkers 'work' is an almost meaningless concept - to be alive is .to work, and people are not lazy by nature. Given stimulation, the fulfilment of their basic needs and recogition of their basic rights, human beings do 'make an effort'. People need work not mainly for income, but for self-expression, for self-discipline and for a sense of participation in the human experience (Susan Campbell, 1983).
The problem is that most 'Work' is boring, repetitive, geared to capitalist profit rather than individual purpose, and uninspiring. A great deal is also dangerous and destructive: It is extraordinary that we have people in this country fighting to preserve - the right to crawl on their bellies underground hacking coal out of seems, particularly when their fathers were desperate to keep them out of the pits. But the reason why they are doing this is because we haven't yet offered any alternative to the employee society: they don't know any other way in which a decent, able-bodied person can earn respectability [and money] and contribute to society (Charles Handy, in Mary Inglis and Sandra Kramer (ed), 1985).
The concept of meaningful work, GOOD WORK, is only part of the way to the answer - the green future depends on the breaking down of the basic concepts of. work, employment and UNEMPLOYMENT. There is an old Haitian proverb which I think should be our watchword through this period, and it goes as follows: "If work were a good thing, the rich would have found a way of keeping it all to themselves. (Barrie Sherman, in Mary Inglis and Sandra Kramer (ed), 1985).

Leisure.

[14c, L licere, to be permitted]

The freedom we experience when we are allowed (or allow ourselves) to stop working. This raises the question of what WORK is, since without being clear about what constitutes work it is hard to know whcn we have finished it. It also suggests that 'leisure' is not-work, a concept which the mother with three children at the playground or the allottment gardener breaking up new ground might find difficult. We also need to ask who it is that is allowing us to stop working, and what. rights 'they' have over our time. A change of direction towards ownwork and the SHE(SANE/HUMANE/ECOLOGICAL) future will involve a shift of emphasis away from leisure industries and services to leisure organised for people by themselves.
The dividing line between ownwork and this kind of leisure will often be difficult to draw. People will make use of their leisure - the increasing amount of time at their own disposal - to do useful work on their own account, on their own interests and on their own projects. Leisure activities will then shade into a much wider range of work and activity options than most people have today, when for most [sic] people leisure is what they have when not at work, and the two main options are either to work or to be unemployed (James Robertson, 1985).

Source "A Dictionary of Green Ideas",  John Button.

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Work Stuff - miscellaneous thoughts on "work".


All work is voluntary work. Ultimately you wouldn't do it if you didn't want to.
(apart from slave labour of course).
It's a bit like almost all food is organic food. The term "organic tomatoes" is a bit silly.
All tomatoes are strictly speaking organic because they are tomatoes.

Work:

Many jobs involve doing things that are simply unnecessary, destructive or (in my view) morally wrong.

"Jobism" is prejudice towards people on account of the nature of their job/paid employment or lack of it.

Production should be for use, not for profit, and certainly not just to provide jobs.
Work should be done to satisfy needs, not just to keep people working.
Think how much pleasanter life would be if the wages system was abolished.
There is always an infinite amount of actual non-paid work to be done but there is never enough paid work.

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And for any Christians left out there, "consider the lillies" etc. etc. *yawn*

By which Jesus's probably meant that work is not everything in life, and money isn't everything in life etc. etc.....
And that our needs should be little and simple, and we are all capable of gaining our basic needs and we all deserve them.....


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Italian Translation - NON E' POSSIBILE!

If you translate the title of this blog into Italian - you can translate the words but they don't have much meaning!.....

It is not really possible to even translate the words. But PERHAPS it could be the following.
(I am neither Italian nor a native speaker. But anyway).

""JOBS" ARE NOT THE ANSWER": "I "posti" non sono la risposta."

Straight away to an Italianate mind, the words are extremely illogical, even though Italian was invented by a poet!....

Perhaps such a mind is thinking - "Ma... Qual `e la domanda?".....
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They tried to teach me Italian, c'era una volta - once upon a time
at Cambridge University!....

Before I was "sent down", They tried all they could to impress
upon me what I now realize is so true.
Quindi - that is to say -
NEVER MIND THE FACKING MAFIA!

They are small fry compared to the truth -

If you get a [William G.Stewart 15-to-1] 2.1 Class or a [Geoff Hurst] 1st Class
DEGREE from Oxbridge Universities
you are FACKING MADE. FOR LIFE.
:)

You are potentially a piece of C.V. GOLD and hence potentially employed for life.

You can walk into high paid insubstantial desk jobs for all eternity with such a line on your C.V.

MAGARI AVEVO ASCOLTATO!
Ma non c'`e male!.....

E'litism - French word - Hopefully declining phenomenon.....
Nepotism - Italian word - universal phenomenon!....
It's a question of keeping it to a minimum.
Probably!....



THE PLAY ETHIC!

http://www.theplayethic.com/

THE PLAY ETHIC!

Another VERY RADICAL thinker on the whole issue of Jobs - is a fellow partner in creativity the intellectual and pop-star Pat Kane.

See his web site about his views on Jobs above!

JobLESS or JobSEEKING?

JobLESS or JobSEEKING?

The 1948 Law that we celebrate on Y-DAY (Why did they facking bother Day on June 7th each year) states that everyone must have enuff to live on.

The NewTory J.S.A. alone breaches that Law.
Since it says that you can only receive money if it is PROVED that you are SEEKING WORK.
This is absurd since the Law states you MUST receive what you NEED.

It is also absurd since the ONLY way to run an Unemployment Benefit is to give money to those WITHOUT work/income.

It is UNWORKABLE nonsense to determine the benefit by assessing whether someone is LOOKING for work.

J.S.A. was a big change in itself that no one noticed in 1995.
It was called UB40 before that and you only had to prove you had no INCOME. NOT that you were looking for work. Change of emphasis. Anyway. ...

This isn't about individuals - it is about POLICY.. Inevitably so.

 But a THIEF is a THIEF!!!

Well done Glenda!!! That's what IDS is!!!

WORLD IN MONEY

WORLD EARNING A WAGE = WORLD IN MONEY?....

I am now a JOB SEEKER / UNEMPLOYED etc.

I was recommended the website above.

Does this website - officially named "WORLD IN WORK"-
 really signify in English -
"WORLD WITH A WAGE PACKET / WORLD EARNING A WAGE" ?

For does it not reflect the following CATEGORY ERROR -

"WORK" IS NOT ONLY "WHAT YOU RECEIVE MONEY FOR".

John Milton - "They also serve..."...

Blind man commits suicide after visiting a bunch of tossers! 
(News Report 2014 AD).

John Milton - the republican English poet (9 December 1608 – 8 November 1674)
- was also blind (possibly from reading too often in a poor light) at one point in his life and could not work.....









Would we have withdrawn benefits from a national poet and hero like him?...

Benefits are not a lot of money!....
This man should not have had his benefits withdrawn.

The poem "On His Blindness" by John Milton refers to the whole issue of work.

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"On His Blindness"

By John Milton.

When I consider how my light is spent
Ere half my days in this dark world and wide,
And that one Talent which is death to hide
Lodged with me useless, though my soul more bent
To serve therewith my Maker, and present
My true account, lest He returning chide,
"Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
I fondly ask. But Patience, to prevent
That murmur, soon replies, "God doth not need
Either man's work or his own gifts. Who best
Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state
Is kingly: thousands at his bidding speed,
And post o'er land and ocean without rest;
They also serve who only stand and wait."

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It does us well to read it carefully even today!.....

[One thing that strikes us is its great religiosity compared to our times!....]

"They also serve who stand and wait...."...

We need to rebuild a society in which we are less resentful of each other.

We are all owed our basic needs - are we not?.....

Why should we have such an oppressive paid work ethic?

Surely we can hope for something better?......

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Milton would have approved of WORK and SERVICE. 

Coming from a more religious time than ours.

He was a Puritan and a Protestant and perhaps therefore even more inclined to it.

("The Protestant Work Ethic" is a THEORY not a teaching......)....

He walked around Europe. He had no petrol driven chariot, nor iron road train to transport him!...
Yet he did his Grand Tour all the same!.....

Yet he would not necessarily even have understood what we mean by a JOB nowadays.

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The Protestant Work Ethic v. The Catholic Rest Ethic

The Protestant Work Ethic v. The Catholic Rest Ethic.

*SERMON TO FOLLOW*

The Feudal Peasant had no "JOB"!

I parade myself as an "Urban Peasant".

I think I will expand the concept of an "Urban Peasant" further.

The first stage in this will be making it into a concept at all.

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The Feudal System - that lasted roughly a thousand years in Europe - had peasants.

The peasant generally speaking WAS NEVER EVER paid for his ACTUAL WORK PER SE.

Hence the feudal peasant in the terminology of today "HAD NO JOB"

He was no WAGE SLAVE.

The serfs below him may have been actual slaves.

But he himself was quite wealthy and had lots to do and had lots of freedoms.

In ways like this Medieval life was SUPERIOR to ours.

Medieval Europe had no UNEMPLOYMENT statistics and NO  UNEMPLOYMENT anyway.

Because it is a stupid concept mainly!.......

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Anarchists and Greens (like me) in general; and Utopian Socialists like William Morris for example (and like me)  - have always harked back and idealized the Medieval Period.
With its low-tech; "closer-to-nature" societies and lifestyles etc.
And rightly so if you ask me!.....
This is sometimes a criticism of such tendencies and this living in the past is held against them.
I don't hold it against them.
I say -
"Onward we march into the past! For it was so often and in so many ways far better!".....




A TERRIBLE WORK-RELATED "POEM" BY "CITIZEN SOFA"

A TERRIBLE WORK-RELATED "POEMS" BY "CITIZEN SOFA"

"JOBS ARE NOT A PANACEA - YOU SPANNERS!"

JOBS ARE NOT A PANACEA - 
DON'T YOU SEE YOU SPANNERS? :)
JOB MEANS TASK OR DUTY OR ERRAND!.....
A JOB THAT SLOWLY KILLS YOU IS A CRIME
AND A JOB THAT KILLS THE PLANET IS TOO
A JOB FOR JOAB WOULD NOT HAVE
HELPED HIM SOLVE HIS MYSTERY
FUCK YOUR JOB AND ALL WHO SAIL IN IT
FUCK YOUR JOB FOR EVER AND EVER
AND FUCK YOU FOR EVER THINKING IT'S THE ANSWER!


[Sorry folks - people have just said to me "Just get a job, mate!"
far far far too many times :D ].

Have you found work yet?

Avoiding the Question with a Riddle.

GAMBIT No.87.

Everyday Question (every single fecking day it seems):

So - have you found work yet, young man?

Me:
Yes. I found Work in Chapter 9 of my PHYSICS text book when I was 12 years old.

Admittedly, I did only get a grade B in the GCSE - newly introduced and rushed through by the by our standards leftwing Tories in the year 1988. The O-level was much much harder work.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(physics)

LOOK HERE FOR WORK!

ETHNOCENTRIC! and ERACENTRIC!....


"Unemployment" AS SUCH is also VERY OBVIOUSLY a thoroughly ETHNOCENTRIC and "ERACENTRIC" concept!

For example, when there are stats that say something like there is "40%" "unemployment" in places like Morocco - this is silly in many ways.

Firstly does this mean that 40% of Morrocans do NOTHING AT ALL? Of course not!

Does this mean that 40% of Morrocans are in extreme poverty? Of course not!

Also, this must mean that the "job centres" in Morroco must be VERY CROWDED!

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If they abolished the concept.......

If they abolished the concept of unemployment it would work wonders for the unemployment statistics.

:D

Coming out of the Job Centa......

Coming out of the Job Centa......

I fuckin hate this, I do.....
Shit init?

Wankers, aren't they?....

Well - don't quote me but yeah....

:D

Anarchy for the UK, I say!

SUDDENLY AND WITH SOME FEELING THE MAN CONTINUED THE BANTER THUS:

"It's coming. It's coming sooner than they think if they treat people like that!".....

Forced Unpaid Labour for a Private Company is Slavery.

The Wicked Sheriff of Kerchingford  - IDS - needs to know
that SLAVERY was abolished in the British Empire on March 25th 1807.

It is the year 2014.

Forced Unpaid Labour for a 
Private Company IS 
government-imposed Slavery.

Forced on people by the Torylition vindictive childish shits that "govern" us.

J.S.A. is NOT conditional on ANY labour. Obviously so.
That is why Cait Reilly won her case.
She was fought tooth and nail and personally by Duncan Shit.

Any further breaches of HUMAN RIGHTS by the BASTARDS that govern us on this question need to be kept a close watch over.


EX SLAVE CAIT REILLY


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This is called Workfare. We should be well shy of it.

"Workshy" is a meaningless NAZI propaganda term, by the way.

Sadly the BBC use it every now and then.

And "Workfare" - from my favourite country the USA - would have shocked the NAZIS.

It simply means you work for your benefits.

Which as a concept can only be qualified as PURE DOGSHIT.

It is the next logical step for the ToryNazis who rule us now.

Under capitalism - which the Tories preach - the basic principle is you work for a wage.

If wages are not available this goes out of the window.

If wages are not available and - unlike the Tories - you are not horrendously rich; the Tories have VAYS of making you VURK. :)


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Abolish Restaurants!

http://www.prole.info/ar.html

ABOLISH RESTAURANTS

JOBISM.

"Jobism" is prejudice....

..... towards people on account of the nature of their job/paid employment or lack of it.

And a belief that one's income is solely related to one's labour....

And a belief in WAGE SLAVERY....

And a belief that someone's JOB in a Capitalist Society DEFINES THEM as a human being.....

Production should be for use, not for profit, and certainly not just to provide jobs.
Work should be done to satisfy needs, not just to keep people working.
Think how much pleasanter life would be if the wages system was abolished.
There is always an infinite amount of actual non-paid work to be done but there is never enough paid work.

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And for any Christians left out there, "consider the lillies" etc. etc. *yawn*

By which Jesus's probably meant that work is not everything in life, and money isn't everything in life etc. etc.....
And that our needs should be little and simple, and we are all capable of gaining our basic needs and we all deserve them.....


Many jobs involve doing things that are simply unnecessary, destructive or (in my view) morally wrong.

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Examples of JOBIST remarks include:-

"I can't go out with him - he only works at a Car Wash!!!"
"Yes. But he is doing that to fund his next PHD in Physics!"
"I don't care. I won't go out with someone who works in a Car Wash!".....

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ALL Work is Voluntary Work - strictly speaking!....

ALL Work is Voluntary Work - strictly speaking!....

Otherwise it would be SLAVERY.....

The term "Voluntary Work" in contemporary UK English usually simply denotes NON-PAID work or labour.....

Yet any work that anyone performs must be what they will - what they WANT to do!......

Everyone wants to work etc.......

Criminalising joblessness... etc.

At the end of the day there are shed loads of people on Jobseekers who do loads of voluntary work already!

There are shed loads of people on Jobseekers - which is incidentally a disgraceful pittance especially compared to other European countries - who simply cannot get work for a variety of reasons.

How are we supposed to go from a situation with at least a million on Jobseekers Allowance who can't get work to a situation where even those on sickness benefits somehow get paid work?
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It disgusts me intensely...................


"The greatest analgesic, soporific, stimulant, tranquilizer, ... - in short, the closest thing to a genuine panacea - known to medical science is work."

Thomas S. Szasz -
The Greatest "Psychiatrist" Of All Time.

It disgusts me intensely that "Work" to a Southern English English speaker almost always in this context denotes "something one gets paid for." It simply does not mean that.

Not the same thing.

How can unemployment = those claiming unemployment benefit?
Not the same thing.

The Government is lying about "Unemployment" stats. So that's the usual then!....


Unemployment statistics almost always = lies!

The preceding is perhaps one of the only "economic laws" I believe in.

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One of the reasons that the statistics quantifying unemployment have declined recently is:-

 - simply that they have forced people on JSA (Job Seekers Allowance) to "sign up" for something called "New Deal".

Which means they come off the unemployment total but stay unemployed and continue to claim and receive exactly the same benefits.

The difference is that they spend ages looking through newspapers pretending to look for work. This situation applies to literally hundreds of thousands of people.

If they stop claiming JSA and become destitute the government's reply seems to be:
"Great - one less off the stats; and one less claiming; and we do not care what happens to them!".
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There are 8/9 million people who are "economically inactive".
What does that mean exactly? Are they unemployed?



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Socratic Dialog Concerning "WORK".


Maybe. Not much.
ok
so in work now are you?
Yep.
I've just been rooting around in my drawers.
what for?
to make it look like you are doing something ? LOL LOL
Oh, just kind of trying to throw away any junk that I don't need. I can't believe the amount of paper I've wasted in my tenure here.
Anarchism is the answer YOUKNOWSIT
more freedom = the answer
Oh, and I found a cereal bar that I think I must have bought six months or more ago.
lol
I'll put that proposal to the boss.
lol
this gives a whole new meaning to "dreaming of a white xmas" doesnt it
Well, it's turned into more of a nightmare
well it doesnt bother me at all
hate flying and driving around
so when these cant happen i love it
i exaggerate
Not only is Sheepuality my favourite invented word BTW
I think Sheepuality is my favourite word of all time in any language I know
In phrases like "people cant accept my sheepuality..."
Hehe
The girls are stopping by my desk a lot more often today. This is not unrelated to the fact that someone's left a tin of shortbread cookies on my desk.
its not just that mate tho eh eh ...eh...
eh...?
eh>>>?
eh.....?
lol
face it - you are gonna have to some day - you are a babe magnet init ?
Oh yes. The cookies are just an excuse
lol
anyway catch ya later
Hey, me again.
hello how's the party?
i am in the process of purchazing a new mobby
Dull as fuck. Mobile?
yes
I'm trying to look busy by having a spreadsheet open whenever anyone walks past.
lol
But in reality.. I have zilch to do.
well
Got so bored earlier that I actually tidied up the reception area and cleaned the coffee stains off my desk.
one response is - dont knock it
how often do you have nothing to do ?
I know.
Fairly often.
I wish there was some way they could just re-route the phone to my bedroom, and I could transfer calls to the relevant people whilst wearing my pyjamas.
well that's something that annoys me that they FORCE you to get PAID work and then you waste your time.... that is probably quite WIDESPREAD too
Yep. Was having this conversation with my friend last night. She's in much the same sort of job.
well anarahism of a klind is ONE answer
anarchism
of a kind
It's like, if you work in a bar or certain shops, you can just read or whatever when nothings going on.
and its because of STUPIDITY NOT EVIL


BASIC INCOME
NOW
I mean at the end of the day IF IT NEEDS DOING IT SHOULD BE DONE ANYWAY
AND there simply FACTUALLY IS NOT ENOUGH PAID WORK

Actually, having said that, I can read, but only off the screen. I doubt it'd go down well if i were to read a mag or book.
ALSO
A BASIC INCOME ALREADY EXISTS = THE DOLE


That's a Green Party policy, innit - Citizen's Income?
something like that
It does make sense, in a way..
well i get a lot of stick when i propose it
OFTEN from unemployed people WEIRDLY enough
LOL
Cos, if one's on the dole, the moment you take a job they stop it.. + then you may have to wait a month (or more) to actually get paid.
well also they oppose it because its existence would make their whole lifestyle an absurdity
YES
Mm, wonder if it would work if it were implemented.
well that's what they sau
y
EVERYONE SAYS THAT
its funny
BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT
......
....
IT ALREADY EXISTS
SINCE 1948
in a sense
THANKS TO....
MAINLY
A WELSHMAN

Bevan
and it works well
But, there's a few failures in the way it's designed - as alluded to above.
YES well in Sweden where SOCIAL SECURITY was MAINLY invented.....
Hate to sound like IDS, but I think there is something in the argument that it creates a dependency culture.
IT IS MUCH LARGER IN QUANTITY ANYWAY for a start
AH but that implies that people WORK for MONEY ONLY
which is.....
....
.....
..
...
...
True.. some work is done for the fun of it..
SO FAR FROM THE TRUTH AS IN LIKE MILLIONS OF MILES FROM TRUTH TOWN
MOST PEOPLE WORK BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO

But, are you telling me that anybody would shovel shit or flip burgers if they weren't getting paid for it?

ahhhh
now we are talking
well first thought is

- if it is MY burger and shit outside my door I WILL DO IT STRAIGHT AWAY FOR NOTHING - and ALL DAY
LOL

second thought - are YOU saying that IF someone REFUSES to shovel shit OR flip burgers - WHICH 90 per cent of ENGLISH people EFFECTIVELY DO....

pause for truth to sink in

if they refuse
Okay, if you could be completely self-sufficient... i.e. not dependent in any way on anyone else's labour - or in some kind of commune, that'd work...
are YOU saying that
.......?
they SHOULD STARVE
?
However, in an industrialised society, there's the necessity of specialisation and the division of labour...
No, I'm not saying that anybody should starve. I don't believe that.
yes well they worked this out in the 30s
IF all the NECESSARY work in an INDUSTRIALISED SOCIETY was SHARED FAIRLY
pause for this to sink in
NO ONE WOULD NEED TO WORK LONGER THAN 3 DAYS A WEEK
DISCUSS
Yeah, there's a ParaCon-ish idea similar to that. Like, one day you might be the CEO of a firm, the next you might clean the bogs.
it already happens
Oh, wasn't aware of THAT.
it is PROBABLY true
MORE SO NOW

because of increased COMPUTERISATION
MECHANISATION
Yeah. With increasing use of automation, the necessity of human labour diminishes. However, rather than the wealth generated being shared equally, the process is used to dispossess a greater proportion of the population.
Uh, I feel like I've swallowed a copy of One Dimensional Man.
well think about it ALL WORK IS VOLUNTARY
AND
ARE YOU !! saying people who dont work SHOUDL STARVE???
ANSWER PLEASE
I've already said, of course not!
Do you think for a moment that I think that?
no sorry
but what follows from they view that they shoudn;t starve.....
?
....
Yes, it comes back to the citizen's income thing.
exactly
which already exists
BEVANS's idea was a SAFETY NET
not EXACTLY same thing
BUT
Principle of NEED is already there
and IF there will be LESS work to do ANYWAY you HAVE to CONSIDER -
BASIC INCOME
....
of some kind

...
The "economics" may be tricky
but no more than those cause by BENEFITS already
IN FACT it would BOOST the "economy" MASSIVELY


Mm. Wonder if it.....


Wonder if it's ever been tried.
well in the soviet thing
they ALL had JOBS - BUT NO MONEY
lol
other way around
In this system they have NO jobs
but LOADS of money
like SWEDEN
Do you recall a quote from someone saying "Those who refuse work will be shot"?

where they have lots of money and buy lots of stuff
who said that? Nazis/Soviets/Vikings/British.....


Someone I know attributed a quote along those lines to old Trotters... but I can't find it anywhere. Not sure if he really said it.
But it's the logical expression of the policy of militarization of labour that he introduced.
yeah well even he didnt believe that
he just believed it because of CIRCUMASTANCES as HE SAW THEM
and the RELIGION of MARXISM allowed him to absolve himself of TERRIBLE DEEDS


As a logical consequence of his view of human nature, Trotsky believes that people must be
forced to work, using compulsion "from the gentle to the extremely severe:"


no he was a good guy trotsky
Sorry to go off on a tangent about Trotters
but human nature is to work
PEOPLE WANT TO WORK
OTHERWISE THEY WOULD NOT
SIMPLES!!!!

Well, yes and no.
to a point it is the case yes


well WE MUST DEFINE TERMS


WORK CAN = carrying the shopping = hard work!!!

I would like to have a place of my own, with room to live in.. nothing extravagant..
Exactly ... like a monastery
but anyway
its all in my think tank hopefully
ive got to take a pause

JUST GET A JOB!!!!!!

JUST GET A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



http://livableincome.org/


For your one "job", I have with me all of Christendom.

ANDRE' GORZ is a great thinker!

A Guaranteed Basic Income of some kind is

-- inevitable

-- overdue

-- necessary

-- possible

-- easy to achieve and maintain

-- preferable to what we have now

-- has not happened till now merely due to cultural lag

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Do comedians, footballers, newsreaders, DJs and other such people HAVE JOBS??

To answer this rhetorical question - because it seems that they don't have force unanswered nowadays - such is the inanimate dullness of people's intellects -

NO THEY FUCKING DON'T HAVE JOBS!!! OBVIOUSLY!!!

ALL "famous" people are BASICALLY TAKING THE PISS!!!!

And they know it - and you know it!


ANDRE' GORZ.

"For your one "job", I have with me all of Christendom."

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ANDRE' GORZ.

This French Green ecologist thinker and writer was perhaps unique in his emphasis on our need to rethink questions of Labour, unemployment, income etc....